Last week on The Recruiting Animal’s blogtalkradio show, a member of my HireFriday was put on the hot seat. What he did not know is that under that seat was white hot coals. It made my stomach turn to hear the panel tear this candidate apart like vultures on roadkill. Was this candidate making tactical mistakes, it could be argued yes; however, that did not give the panel a right to pick at this poor man’s emotional flesh. The greek root of the word “sarcasm” is sarcazo, literally translated it means to tear flesh. While everyone has the right to their own opinion, no one has the right to harm another human being.
I assert that this behavior is outlandish, and cartoonish, moreover it borders on macabre. What I would have liked to have seen instead is a dialogue of helpful redirection, and constructive criticism, rather than outright bullying. While they disagreed with his tactics, they could have held their evil tongues. Some of these bullies are my friends. I must admit that after that show, I was ashamed of them. While they made several valid points, to humiliate this man on blogtalkradio was just plain wrong.
I strongly discouraged my HireFriday Community members to not appear on The Recruiting Animal’s blogtalkradio program. Another member of my community has been scheduled to appear. I direct messaged him, and warned him not to appear. If he does, he does so at his own risk because The Recruiting Animal screams, and yells. He rants and raves. In all fairness, he warns his followers on twitter, “if you are sensitive don’t follow me.” He forewarns his guests that they will be lambasted, and put on the hot seat (not in those words of course).
Ironically, in real life, I know @Animal to be a dear old fellow. Deep down, his heart is filled with kindness. His intension behind the scenes is to be helpful. His critiques of the twitter profiles of his followers, while arguably loud, is usually spot on. All you have to do is listen to one of his shows to know the drill. He is the Howard Stern of the recruitment set. It’s no secret. On a personal note, I am extremely fond of him because he has helped me tremendously over the past year.
We enjoy debate. We fight like brothers and sisters. We do like each other, and regardless of how much fun we poke at each other, behind it all is a true fondness of spirit. With that said, I become irate whenever anyone picks on a job seeker. I tend to take it personally because I am a candidate advocate, and understand that when a person is in the midst of a job search, they are at their most vulnerable. The last thing they need is to be attacked by a pack of rabid recruiters, resume writers, and coaches. I was astounded by the lack of compassion and tolerance on last week’s show.
I am boycotting his show this week if he grills another set of job seekers. I implore you to do the same. We should never endorse, support or enable cruel behavior. Bullies have no place in our space.
You may not agree with me, but let me remind you: this is my blog, and I have a right to my own opinion!
Now for your theme song: Rendezvous and I’m Threw With YOU! –Eve 6 Inside Out compliments of youtube.com














Margo,
I appreciate this post. Job hunters are a vulnerable population. To treat them in the way you describe, is liking kicking a dog when it’s down. There is no excuse for this. If a recruiter, who is supposed to be more understanding of a job hunter’s situation, purposefully goes out of his/her way to hurt and humiliate a job hunter, they will have to accept the consequences that their actions may bring about if the job hunter cracks, or worse.
I am a fierce advocate for job search candidates. I look out for their well being. When I know something is not in their best interests, I warn them. Last night, I took Animal and Barb to task for beating up job seekers. When Animal picks on people his own size, I don’t have a problem with it, but when he picks on people who are in perhaps the most difficult period of their life, I stand up, fight back, and stand up for their rights and well being.
Thanks for your support Karen. By the way, Jerry Albright called me first thing this morning and apologized for saying he was “burned out on HireFriday.” In fact, he knows it is a good idea, and helping thousands of people around the world.
Animal and I IRL are friends, but we are adversaries online. Frequently, we do not see things eye to eye. When he and his pack of radio wolves form a mob, and launch into attack mode, it makes me want to vomit all over their ruddy little snouts. They know exactly how I feel about mob mentality. His show frequently degenerates in to vituperative rhetoric. We should all boycott abusive behavior when it is directed at the meek. That’s my stance, and I’m standing by it!
Margo,
As a regular listener and contributor to the Animal show, i’m sure you were aware how the show goes. The episode you refer to is no different.
having been a guest on the show on 2 occasions, I know that all guests get a detailed e-mail of what to expect and are urged to listen to 2 shows before appearing. I’m sure this hasn’t changed.
I called in to the show, so possibly you are refering to me. The other callers have gone out of their way on many occasions to help Job Seekers directly and indirectly. To steer members of the #hireFriday community away from them is an error in my opinion. Each have contributed to the #HireFriday, community, myself included. It would be a shame to cause a split between contributors, but that could be the end result.
Look at the reasons for the negative feedback. 4 offers declined for reason of relocation or package, as well as an unrealistic expectation in the current market. This provoked a harsh reaction from the callers, but may in turn have given a good picture of the things job seekers should be thinking about in their search. I believe 4 recruiters contacted the guest as a direct result of the show and there were several offers to review his resume. In the interests of offering a true picture to your community, perhaps you should mention this in your post.
Props on the Eve6 – still play that album (dating myself) regularly.
I went and listened to the show (I think – dated Aug 18?).
I’m not sure I thought it was that bad. Sure there was some ribbing and snide remarks but I was pretty impressed with the guest’s (candidates’s) responses and how he held his own. If nothing else if I were a potential hiring manager I’d take that as a real positive.
The @animal’s tactics (and some of the others) are easy to deflect and chalk up to “be edgy to be edgy” and had little teeth in them IMHO.
Whether I like the animal style or not the questions were valid – talk in specifics, tell stories, don’t generalize… all good advice. The candidate would be wise to take that away from the experience.
Maybe I listened to the wrong episode but I was expecting a huge brew-ha-ha and got a pretty tame and normal animal show. Or am I just a bit more thick-skinned than average?
Unless you have all the facts, do not pass judgment. 90k for a job that should be paying 160-180k in their local market with the cost of living adjustment is a joke and you know it. I have had calls from other recruiters since the show last week that agree with me that they are insane and not to take the offers, rather hang up the phone. Not to mention the equivalent to what 90k is here in my area would be like making 40k and still have to seal with housing with is 3-4 times as much. To support a family of five with no up front cash for the commute, hotel, expenses would be impossible at this point. If you are a good recruiter, you know what I am saying as truth and employers are really lowballing. Now, on the prior show I heard alot of fluff about recruiters being master negotiators when it comes to salary negotiations and working around the lowballing. Many of the recruiters are not even interested in negotiating and will just go right down the list as they do not have the fortitude to go back and really sell the candidate. If this is not you, then you need to understand what jobseekers like I see from our vantage point on what your colleagues are doing in the industry.
As for offers to review my resume…? Funny how everyone offers to review and rewrite a resume for free and then it turns into “at a fee” and a sales pitch like a typical sales person. Based on the feedback I have gotten as of late, my resume has had great reviews from hiring managers and several C-level execs so I am going to stick with it. How much money do you think jobseekers have? Not to mention that many resume writers, even ones from the show or followers of the show, all have their own resume styles and throw their colleagues work under the bus (you know who you are). So just as a recruiter can toss daggers at a jobseeker, the door swings both ways. There are some recruiters who in all reality just might be making a living off the back of the unemployed by creating resumes rather than actually placing candidates. Recruiters, of all people, of all people who claim to build relationships with clients and candidates should pick up the phone and call me rather than judge me, my career, and my decision-making purely based off of a show which was the first time they had a jobseeker on to my knowledge which gave the show a different spin from the previous weeks. Not to mention this was my first time doing something like this. Did I choke? Yes. Could I have done better? Yes.
Since the show, I have had several calls from exceptional recruiters who are currently taking an interest in me and working on several leads. Therefore, to agree with the other show that aired last night… Yes, my stock did go up!
Hi Margo,
@animal is quite the animated person! I can see why would take umbrage.
I, too, was a “victim” of his communication last week, but in reality, he did me a favor. It made me look long and hard at my Twitter bio and agree with him that it wasn’t straight-forward and needed to be changed.
I guess this is just his communication style.
Sorry Margo, I disagree. Candidates should do their homework first before committing to an interview whether it is for a Blog Talk Radio show or an interview. The person could have easily downloaded and listen to previous episodes and either politely declined or came prepared.
This is all part of the research and preparation process. Asking Animal to change his persona is like asking Gary Vee not to cuss or use the F bomb during his presentations.
People should do their best to prepare themselves for all situations especially when they voluntarily agree to be placed in that type of situation. Ignorance is not bliss.
Jessica
@blogging4jobs
[...] who are out of work or are trying to establish a business (like myself), I feel little sympathy for persons who do not take the time to research, develop a strategy for battle, or use methods in bad faith. [...]
Jessica, I agree. Bill, I understand. Cyndy I hear ya. Paul, glad you like Eve 6 too, you’re right. Derek, there was a lot to learn from your experience. It’s important that you take bitter to better. Best wishes in your future job search.
Thanks everyone for your comments. Animal and I promote each other like Bill O’Reilly and Jon Stewart, said Josh LeTourneau. I couldn’t agree with him more!
As a job seeker who went on the show, can’t say that I got anything of value out of my appearance. In retrospect, it was definitely one of my worst job seeking decisions.